The following is a recent interview I did several days ago with Andrew Winkler, a well-known anti-Zionist and the creator and webmaster of Ziopedia, a popular website which seeks to expose and “demask” the Zionist agenda throughout the world and which is stridently opposed to the entity in the Middle East which Winkler calls “IsraHell.” Winkler hails from Australia and gave up his successful career to battle the forces of Jewish supremacism and considers himself a “dissident activist.” He is also fluent in at least three languages. Enjoy this interview. - Patrick Grimm email@example.com
Andrew, welcome. Briefly tell us a little bit about your background and what brought you into the anti-Zionist movement. Was there one overwhelming catalyst for your activism?
Andrew Winkler: I’m an Australian born baby boomer who has worked most of his life as an IT executive, in Australia and overseas. The catalyst for my activism was September 11, when I realized that this terrible event was actually performed by Mossad, with inside help from the U.S. government. I got very upset because nobody seemed to care or want to know. Most people are too busy not being left behind in their career, paying off mortgages and finding the money for their kids’ education, to spare much thought on how close we are to the realisation of George Orwell’s worst nightmares. Something needed to be done before we reach the point of no return. If everybody just cared about his and his immediate family’s material needs, our governments could get away with just about anything.
What is the Rebel Team or the Rebel Media Group specifically and what do they do?
Andrew Winkler: The Rebel Media Group is a loose network of activists from around the world sharing one common vision: Making this world a better place by using the Internet for their fight against injustice and oppression. At this stage I’m the only full time member. Everybody else contributes on a part-time basis, one or two hours here and there.
In addition to Ziopedia, you have created a twelve step program akin to Alcoholics Anonymous called Jews Anonymous. Its welcome message states “The primary purpose of Jews Anonymous is to help Jews to rid themselves of any sense of chosenness and superiority over their fellow human beings and embrace all of mankind, regardless of heritage, nationality, religion or race.” How has this been received? Have there been any takers in the Jewish community?
Andrew Winkler: J.A. was received with an incredible amount of hostility, not only from our enemies but also from fellow activists. I don’t want to mention any names, only that I was disappointed with the reactions of some people who until then seemed to be allies and friends. A common reaction was denial along the lines of ‘I’m Jewish and I DO embrace all of mankind, regardless of heritage, nationality, religion or race!’, which I find absurd given the supremacist attitudes towards non-Jews expressed throughout the Talmud and the shameless racism displayed towards Arabs on a daily basis in words and actions by both Israelis and Jews in the Diaspora. Even more absurd was the frequent accusation of racism towards the project. After all, it is our clearly expressed intention to help Jews embrace all of mankind, regardless of heritage, nationality, religion or race. What’s racist about helping someone to be less racist? These people react like an alcoholic who gets angry with anyone suggesting that he might have a drinking problem.
Due to lack of resources, there are still lots of details in the J.A. programme that need to be flashed out before we can start properly. I’m still working on the manual for the moderators who will conduct the programme in the local groups. This takes up an enormous amount of time which I don’t have since I’m too busy running the day to day operations of ZioPedia.org. Once we have enough subscribers for ZioPedia.org to afford an administrative person, I will be able to spend more time on the J.A. project. I hope to start our pilot group some time this year. Most likely it will be based in Texas.
In several of your articles you have asserted that “Jewishness is in fact a state of mind.” For those just discovering your website and work, would you mind fleshing out the idea of “Jewishness” as a mental state, rather than a religion, “race” or nationality?
Andrew Winkler: Jews have argued for centuries what actually makes a Jew a Jew. Some say it’s race. Others say it’s religion. My point is that it can’t be neither.
It can’t be race because modern Jewry is made up of 3 ethnically distinct groups: Ashkenazis, Sephardi and Oriental Jews. The biggest group, the European Jews or Ashkenazis, are the descendants of ethnic Turk Khazars from Mongolia, who came to Europe as part of Attila’s hordes, and their Germanic rape victims. Their only genetic link to Palestine is a few thousand rabbis the Khazars imported from Byzanth when they replaced their traditional phallus cult with Judaism.
There were also some Jewish refugees who got kicked out of Byzanth for collaborating with the Arab enemy. Anyhow, modern days Jews are genetically too different from each other for race to be the determining factor for Jewishness.
It can’t be religion either because there are too many so-called ‘secular Jews’. It makes no sense to claim that Jewishness was determined by religion when more than half of Jews are not religious at all.
My answer to the question what it is that makes a Jew a Jew is that it is a state of mind. You become a Jew by
embracing Jewishness and all the baggage that comes with it.
Andrew, is there such a thing as a “good Jew”? In other words, is a Jew who wants to hold on to his or her Jewishness or Jewish traditions and heritage bad by default?
Andrew Winkler: Jewish tradition and heritage are so infested with manic-depressive beliefs that for a Jew to become a valuable human being, he must recognise that he suffers a harmful condition. He must recant his Jewishness. The biggest hurdle for him is to cross the ‘river of denial’. He must stop blaming everybody else and start taking responsibility for his condition and doing something about it.
I wrote an article about a year ago concerning a mentally imbalanced Zionist hatchet man named Ronald Yogman who runs an ad business in Florida. He seemed to be specifically assigned to destroy Ziopedia, starting with the umbilical cord of donations. What is the status of the Yogman situation and is Ziopedia still under assault from Zionist Jews?
Andrew Winkler: Ron has some extremely challenging issues to deal with, concerning his and his family’s health. I don’t want to say more because they are very personal matters. He deals with them by delving into his Jewishness and being very active in his Jewish community. Ron got onto my case in February 2007 when I published an article of a fellow going by the name of Eric Hunt in which he described how he tried to drag Eli Wiesel into his hotel room and coerce him into confessing that the descriptions of his Auschwitz experiences were not autobiographic but fictional. When I first read the article I thought it was a parody written by some witty holocaust revisionist. As it turned out the writer was a mentally unstable kid. I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole incident was a set up similar to the regular school shootings. We know for a fact that our ruling elite maintains a pool of nutcases that they send onto missions such as the Port Arthur shooting, to create excuses for reducing our freedoms further and further. Anyhow, after hassling me throughout last year, Ron finally decided that I was a good guy, in spite of my offensive views on Judaism, and left me alone ever since.
Ziopedia posts articles, essays and op-eds from both left-wing anti-Zionists and right-wing anti-Zionists and everyone in between. How do you deal with the dichotomies of political agendas at work, while still accumulating the writings of leftist anti-racists, anti-Zionist Jews, white nationalists, Muslims, etc. who still basically concur on the rudiments of the Zionist and Jewish supremacist problem?
Andrew Winkler: All those different positions are just viewpoints from which to observe and interpret reality in the hope of finding a working solution. Often someone with a particular viewpoint can see things that someone with a different position is oblivious to. Immigration is a good example for that phenomenon. While people on the left instinctively suspect racist motives when anyone criticizes the immigration policies of countries such as the U.S. or Australia, people on the right can clearly see the damage those policies do to the ability of ordinary Americans and Australians to earn a decent income and provide for their families. I also suspect that many of the fears and animosities between different political viewpoints are created and reinforced by our ruling elites as a means of dividing and ruling us. Only by stepping back, looking beyond those artificial divides and focusing on the values all humans share can we prevent a further descent into an Orwellian New World Order.
I have corresponded with others from Australia in the anti-Zionist movement who talk about being persecuted for their political viewpoints. Is Australia as wholly under the sway of Zionism as say, the United States, Canada or Britain? I’m aware of laws on the books against “hate speech” in Australia and other assorted Newspeak ballyhoo, but in general, can Zionism or Israel be criticized publicly without a lot of political, legal or media blowback?
Andrew Winkler: Australia is an integral part of what I call the Anglo-Judean Axis of Greed. Our society is under Jewish stranglehold, no different from the U.K., Canada and the U.S. Our elections are not decided at the ballot box but by crypto-Jew Rupert Murdoch who controls the local media scene. All he needs to do is to influence the voter decision in a few dozen electorates up or down by a couple of percentage points for one party or the other to swing the election a certain way. As far as freedom of speech is concerned, the same applies as anywhere else in the Western world: it is only respected as long as it doesn’t ‘offend’ Satan’s little helpers.
This is a question for my own readers who often ask me “What can I do?” Andrew, other than disclosure of the facts about Zionism, in your opinion, what can be done in other spheres to break their hold over our institutions, media and economy? One answer you have given in the past would be, don’t buy Starbucks coffee.
Andrew Winkler: What can we do? Harness the ‘Power of No’. Say ‘No’ to Jewish controlled media, ‘No’ to ‘war for Israel’, ‘No’ to the destruction of our social fabric by unrestrained immigration, ‘No’ to the democracy hoax, ‘No’ to the destruction of family values, ‘No’ to false flag terrorism, ‘No’ to globalization, ‘No’ to the export of jobs to slave labour countries, ‘No’ to mammonism, consumerism, sexism. Stop the factional fighting within the anti-Zionist movement and start fighting against our self-chosen ruling elite. Boycott Jewish controlled media so that they can’t sell their ads. Don’t click on google ads. Explain to your wives and girlfriends that all diamonds are blood diamonds. Buy them flowers and chocolates instead. Be creative about finding new ways to cut off the Jews’ purse strings.
How has the transition to a partial paid subscription site been working for Ziopedia?
Andrew Winkler: As expected, it was difficult. In the first two months we only reached 15% of our half year goal, so we are behind target. Only 0.5% of our regular readership so far have subscribed. That means we have to communicate better why we are forced to charge a subscription fee and what the money is used for. On the positive side, we have noticed that the number of daily visitors is back to pre-subscription levels. This might have to do with the fact that our editorial, revisionism, online book and encyclopedic sections are still available without subscription. It’s a difficult balancing act between fulfilling our mission of demasking and exposing Zionist crimes and Jewish supremacism on the one hand, and surviving financially.
I have discussed and debated with many people the efficacy or inefficacy of different types of rhetoric, buzzwords and even particular phraseologies in discussing the issue of Jewish extremist crimes and ideology. Many writers I know and respect range from those who would be considered simple “anti-Zionists” in their style to those who would be defined by modern PC nomenclature as “anti-Semitic” in tone. You and I are both writers. As a heuristic device, what do you believe to be the most effective approach in opening or piquing the mind of the newcomer or the neophyte just stumbling upon the Zionist or Jewish question?
Andrew Winkler: This is a very good question that has been bugging me ever since I started the Rebel Media Group. It all comes down to who your ‘target market’ is. If you are preaching to the already convinced and all you want to do is keep up their faith, inspire and provide ammunition for their fight against Zionist evil and Jewish supremacism, then there is obviously no need to mince your words, quite the contrary. It’s a different story if you want to convince people on the sideline, those who agree that maybe it’s not such a good thing to kill scores of innocent children, who agree that pro-Israel lobby groups have too much influence on US policies or that shouldn’t be so harsh on the Palestinians in general, but haven’t developed full ‘blue pill resistance’ yet. Then it is counter-productive to use any language that could trigger those Skinner-box style ‘anti-Semitism’ reflexes that we all have been brainwashed to.
There are many people, including occasionally myself who like to intone “It’s the Jews, Jews, Jews fault!” Of course, there is some truth there. Dr. Fredrick Toben has managed to coin a more empowering maxim “Don’t blame the Jews. Blame those who bend to their pressure.” What, in your opinion, are the biggest factors causing this “bend” or this acquiescence to Jewish “pressure”?
Andrew Winkler: I agree with Fredrick Toben that we should focus more on the collaborateurs. If you think of it, the Jews only make up a tiny percentage of Western societies. The only way they can rule their host societies is by employing large numbers of collaborateurs. European colonial powers used to do the same. They groomed their collaborateurs in missionary schools and gave them privileges over their peers. Even today, it is still a status symbol in many former British colonies such as Singapore, Malaysia or Hong Kong to be a Christian or Catholic. We can see the same thing happening with our Jewish colonial masters. They groom politicians, journalists, judges, executives who help them rule our societies. The only difference is that instead of converting them to Judaism, which is out of question due to its tribal nature, they convert them to Christian Zionism, Masonry, Satanism or simply bribe them with obscene executive packages. Those traitors are our biggest problem.
What advice would you give to those who are new activists or who are thinking of becoming full-time activists in the anti-Zionist cause? What lessons have you learned?
Andrew Winkler: If you want to minimise your risk, you can try living a double-life and not talk to anyone in the offline world about your views and what you are doing. Otherwise, be ready to lose everything: your career, your friends, your family, your freedom, your health, your life. The more successful you are with your fight, the harder they will try to hit you. This is a lonely fight. You can’t trust anyone, not even your fellow activists, because our ranks are infiltrated with Zionist moles, gate-keepers and agents provocateurs. But it’s worth it. The day you stand in front of your creator and get asked what you did with the life that was given to you, you can say more than just I added so many zeroes to my net value. You can say, “I have fought against evil.”
What unexpected hurdles have you had to jump while waging this fight against evil, as you have described the struggle? What, other than the financial problems aforementioned, has been the most difficult part of doing this?
Andrew Winkler: With regards to others, my biggest challenge I found is fear, both in the offline and the online world. Fear of being called an anti-Semite and all the horrible consequences that come with that label. People who normally would not hesitate to speak out and take action against all sorts of injustices and unfairness become virtually paralysed by fear when it comes to anything to do with Jews and Apartheid IsraHell. It’s absolutely shocking to see how much of a taboo it is.
With regards to myself, my biggest problem is increasing difficulties to function in the ‘real world’ like an ordinary person. I find it harder and harder to small-talk with people over sport, celebrities and the pretend news we are fed by the mainstream media, or not to revolt against the lies our kids are told at school about history in general and the holocaust in particular, global warming, 9/11, war on terror, multiculturalism and the list goes on. I often feel like shaking people and yelling at them, “Wake up and see the ugly truth!” The growing realization of what kind of Orwellian nightmare we are already living in is extremely painful.
Andrew, many people in this movement talk about a current worldwide awakening to the Jewish supremacist problem or the nascent nationalism that is stirring in Russia and other nations which may destroy or at least weaken the globalism foisted on us by Jewish extremists. How optimistic are you in the face of these tepidly sunny forecasts? Are they jumping the gun, or could a real awakening be occurring on such a massive scale?
Andrew Winkler: I’m not even sure whether this ‘awakening’ isn’t engineered by our ruling elite as an excuse to crack down on freedom of expression. They would be quite capable of doing that. Just think of the Port Arthur shooting that resulted in the disarming of the Australian population. The fruit loop who did that massacre had an IQ comparable to that of a koala, and he managed to kill more people than an expert sniper could have under comparable conditions. Some people even say that more people got shot than the number of bullets he had fired. Or think of the new Pearl Harbor, September 11, performed by Mossad with the inside help of the Bush/Cheney administration to create an excuse for the implementation of a New World Order. That’s why I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of that ‘anti-Semitism’ that’s currently going on in the alternative media was also engineered by our self-chosen ruling elite.
Responses to “Patrick Grimm Interviews Andrew Winkler of Ziopedia
1. steel68 Says:
Your posting of this interview with Andrew leads me to wonder at times why you do not evolve Zionist Watch from a blog to a site in which you can further “explore” your creative energies and launch a much more vigorous offensive.I know Zionist Watch is not the only thing in your life that requires careful attention and such is the case for all strong natures,however,I personally see the potential for ZW to undergo a transformation into an entity of very,very threatening proportions. Even synthesizing “other elements” into the fold.An unprecedented and unrecognizable salvation coalescing around a vital center.An uplift which flows under perpendicular stress in the belly of a Krakatoa.It’s early 1920 and the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei is but one of many laughable political groups seeking footing in the cannibalistic world of realpolitik.Then suddenly-A MATCH!The arson of Nazism has yet to be defined!
“The sharp hostility between Nazism and the Jews means infinitely more than that which the detractors of the Hitler faith so lightly take it to be.It reveals not the usual tension between any two rival ‘racialisms’,but the unique opposition between two poles of thinking life.That is the hidden but real reason why it is absolute,and why its tangible expressions have been,and will at first opportunity again be,so deadly”-Savitri Devi
2. valetoni Says:
What I don’t understand is that Winkler is essentially saying what Noel Ignatiev says, that to be a responsible member of humanity and the global community, you have to give up the mindset of Jewishness and/or whiteness, which instills within people a sense of perceived superiority over others. Ignatiev called for the abolition of whiteness, Winkler calls for the abolition of Jewishness, and I agree with both sentiments. I would also urge the abolition of Christianity, which has produced its share of Kahanes and chosenites who believe in their inherent superiority over others. The Boers, in collusion with the Dutch Reformed Church, believed themselves akin to the Israelites in search of a promised land, and had a right to take whatever they wanted from the savage heathens of Africa.
Why Mr. Grimm associates himself with a murderous cult named after a crucified Nazarene heretic and bastard is beyond me. It wasn’t until the New Testament that the idea was introduced that a person can actually suffer after death, for all eternity, where in the Old Testament, death was enough, there was no concept of hell. Christianity pollutes the minds of nearly 3 billion in the world today, yet is losing influence for reasons that are never explained by those who maintain that it is under attack. De-Christianization is a good thing. So is de-Islamization. The Jews are bad; Christians are good argument is verifiably untrue, if anything they are equal in terms of the religiously and racially inspired depravity they have brought to the world, but you always have people who criticize one and never the other, when both are stupid and cruel and destructive. Of course, Mr. Grimm opposes much of what I support, and does so presumably because of some Aryan Christian impulse that leads to delusions of grandeur about himself and his race. He is not alone in such things, unfortunately. Hatred and bigotry are not hatred and bigotry, discrimination is not really discrimination, but simply natural reactions to non-white non-Christian behavior. Right. And Christians never practiced usury, either. Allow me to use the elitist flagword solipsism to describe this whole endeavor.
3. jesusisgod Says:
This is the right approach. Present numerous, concrete examples of talmudic principles in action. Like the ritual murder of Father Thomas in Damascus:
4. jewishawareness Says:
Patrick, thank you for your latest post. I have mentioned before how much I admire your writing, and also how much I appreciate your efforts on our behalf. However, I must express my concerns about this man, Andrew Winkler, and his Site “ZIOPEDIA.ORG” Before things become inflammatory, please allow me to explain some of these concerns, which were apparent to me even in the first few minutes on his site. On Mr Winkler’s site, is an interview conducted by a Mr Robert Lindsay.
This Interview is similar in both form and content to the one conducted by yourself, and once again, Andrew Winkler was the interviewee and the date of publication is given as: Thursday, 15 February 2007.
Nothing remarkable there, you might say, and you would be right – But let us examine your first question to Mr Winkler and his reply:
Andrew, welcome. Briefly tell us a little bit about your background and what brought you into the anti-Zionist movement. Was there one overwhelming catalyst for your activism?
Andrew Winkler: “I’m an Australian born baby boomer who has worked most of his life as an IT executive, in Australia and overseas. The catalyst for my activism was September 11, when I realized that this terrible event was actually performed by Mossad, with inside help from the U.S. government. I got very upset because nobody seemed to care or want to know. Most people are too busy not being left behind in their career, paying off mortgages and finding the money for their kids’ education, to spare much thought on how close we are to the realisation of George Orwell’s worst nightmares. Something needed to be done before we reach the point of no return. If everybody just cared about his and his immediate family’s material needs, our governments could get away with just about anything.”
Still, everything seems fine – Untill, that is, we compare it to the first question and answer from his earlier interview with Robert Lindsay:
Robert Lindsay: Can you give us some information about your background?
Andrew Winkler: “I’m a baby boomer, born in Australia, grown up in France and Germany. I am hence fluent in English, French and German, and do also speak several other languages. Foreign languages, history and culture have always been a passion of mine. Both sides of my family are from Central Europe, with a mixed ethnic background. Before, during and after WW2, they experienced racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing from both sides of the conflict. I gave up a successful career as an IT executive to follow my vocation as a dissident activist.”
This, I feel, is a more revealing answer, but Patrick, that’s not meant to be a criticism of your ability to draw this man on his background as I’m sure he’s been advised, in future, to keep this fact to himself:
“Both sides of my family are from Central Europe, with a mixed ethnic background. Before, during and after WW2, they experienced racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing from both sides of the conflict…”
Especially, as he tells us “I gave up a successful career as an IT executive to follow my vocation as a dissident activist.”
Now, I don’t know if Mr Winkler is Jewish, but I do know that prospects are bleak for Jews in an anti-Semitic movement – and bleak they should be.
Indications that people are suspicious about this man’s motives and ethnicity might explain his answer to your question, below.
“How has the transition to a partial paid subscription site been working for Ziopedia?”
Andrew Winkler: “As expected, it was difficult. In the first two months we only reached 15% of our half year goal, so we are behind target. Only 0.5% of our regular readership so far have subscribed….”
Perhaps the other 99.5% of his regular readership have seen his answer to Robert Lindsay’s first question where he states: “…I am hence fluent in English, French and German, and do also speak several other languages.” - and have been left wondering, as I have, if one of those “other languages” might be Yiddish or perhaps even Hebrew.
Let us now look at who the lucky subscribers can invest in today. On the ZIOPEDIA.ORG homepage, on offer for $6, is a peep into the dark world of Henry Makow, in a piece headed:
“Humanity is Under Occult Attack”
Henry Makow is a Canadian Jew, who has been doling out “advice” to Gentiles since the age of 11. He has imported into Canada, a Filipino woman, who he married, divorced and then remarried – Isn’t this, the importation of non-Europeans into our communities, for whatever purpose, just one of the problems that is identified in the articles on this blog?
How ironic, that this Jew, Henry Makow, is the inventor of a board game called: “Scruples”.
To the left of Henry Makow’s article is a section which deepens my concern. Here you will find the: “Latest offers”
And on offer for $35 plus postage, is book by a Jew called Benjamin Ginsberg. The title of this book is:
“The Fatal Embrace” and is published by The University of Chicago Press.
Two things to note about this “Latest offer”
1. It is written by a Jew who is a rabid Zionist and whose professional life has been dedicated to shoe horning even more Jews into US government
2. This book was published in 1993 and is hardly what might be described as up to date.
I know these things to be correct because I bought this book almost 15yrs ago and I have it to hand now. It is my opinion that careless promotion of this book is not in the interests of our movement and it should not be peddled to unsuspecting buyers who might be struggling to come to terms with what for them, could be new and difficult issues.
This book has value, but, if recommended, it should come with an explanation as to why it is being promoted and accompanied by a caveat from the vendor.
This is what it says inside the dust jacket:
“Anti-Semitism has started to surface again in American political life. Only recently, the President and Presidential candidate questioned the loyalty of American Jews; a State Governor pointedly deleted the “Judeo” from America’s “Judeo-Christian” heritage: and a Jewish bystander was brutally murdered during violent conflicts between Hasidic Jews and African Americans in New York. What explains the apparent resurgence of a phenomenon many Americans thought could never happen here?
In this provocative book, Benjamin Ginsberg examines the cycle of Jewish success and anti Semitic attack throughout the history of the Diaspora, with a concentrated focus on the special case of America. For Ginsberg the central issue is not anti-Jewish feeling, but the conditions under which such sentiment is likely to be used in the political arena. He book identifies the political dynamics that historically have set the stage for the persecution of the Jews.
Wherever Jews have settled, Ginsberg shows their literacy, commercial skills, and even their social marginality that have made them useful to King’s, princes, and sultan’s - to say nothing of prime ministers, commissars, and presidents. Ambitious rulers have found in the Jews the source of talent not tied to the status quo, and given them protection and opportunity in exchange for their services as administrators, financiers, and diplomats. Jews have played major roles in building States - including the United States of America.
In this embrace of the state of the, Jews have risen to positions of great wealth and power. Time and again, however, the influence has proved to be temporary as Jews become the touchstones of opposition to the regime that they helped build. The embrace of the state has proved to be fatal.
Is America, as many argue, the exception to this pattern? Does America’s liberal tradition preclude the possibility of mobilised anti Jewish hostility? Surveying the political history of Jews from the Civil War to the 1992 presidential elections, Ginsberg masterfully traces the ebb and flow of political anti-Semitism in the U.S. In America as elsewhere, opposing political forces have used anti-Semitic appeals to attack regime’s with which Jews were allied. Because the embrace of the state has been so problematic for the Jews, Ginsberg is cautionary about the future, even in light of the extraordinary visibility of Jews in the Clinton Administration.”
“Benjamin Ginsberg is director of the Washington centre for the study of American Government and the David Bernstein professor of political science at the Johns Hopkins University. Among his other books are The Captive Public, American Government: Freedom and Power, and Politics by Other Means.”
“The Fatal Embrace” published by The University of Chicago Press (1993)
As I have said, this book, like many of its kind, does have some value for our cause, but that value will only be apparent to the most experienced amongst us – any newcomer might find within its pages; only “confirmation” and “evidence” of the very thing that we deny – The “evil” Gentile, driving the age old persecution of the innocent Jew. If anyone wants to buy this book, I would recommend a second hand copy – that way, not one skinny dime goes into the coffers of Mr Benjamin Ginsberg.
As for ZIOPEDIA.ORG?
Well you pays your money and you takes your chance, but I will not be joining anyone who does (takes a chance) in subscribing. Nor do I subscribe to the idea that Jews should lead us in the fight against Jews.
We have our own “stout hearted people” who, if given the chance, can get job done, thank you very much.
5. henrikryan Says:
How can you be so sure that Andrew Winkler is Jewish? Because of his name? Or is there anything in his writings that says that he is? I know a few Winklers and none of them is Jewish, in fact Winkler is a very common name in Austria and Bavaria, as common as Mueller or Meier. If there are some American Jews going by that name only proves one thing: that one of their ancestors got married to a Jewess. I don’t remember reading anything from Winkler saying that he was Jewish.
As far as the contents of the Ziopedia site is concerned, it doesn’t indicate any Jewish agenda at all. It contains Zionism related articles from all angles, pro-Zionist and anti-Zionist alike, including articles from the likes of ADL’s Foxman. The motive behind that is pretty obvious: to expose how screwed up Zionist are. Or why else would Winkler also publish an open letter to Foxman completely taken the piss out of that morron.
That’s why ZioPedia is frequently listed as one of the top three or four hate sites, together with Radio Islam, Jew Watch and Rense, and that’s why Jewish lobbyists have tried to destroy it ever since they published the article on Elie Wiesel.
Apart from that, Winkler would be the first Jew I know to negate Israel’s right to exist, to deny the Holocaust and blame Israel for 9/11.
By the way, I remember reading an editor’s comment Winkler made on one of the Makow articles he published. He said something along the lines of suspecting that he is trying to shift the responsibility from Jews to Freemasonic bankers. I used to share his reservations, but in the latest Makow article I read on ZioPedia everything started to come together for me. Maybe Makow is right after all and Freemasonry is a secular religion the Jews created for their Gentile tools such as the Bush’s and the British Royal family.
6. jewishawareness Says:
“How can you be so sure that Andrew Winkler is Jewish? Because of his name? Or is there anything in his writings that says that he is” “henrikryan” - Are you stupid or just pretending to be so?
This is what I said:
“Now, I don’t know if Mr Winkler is Jewish, but I do know that prospects are bleak for Jews in an anti-Semitic movement – and bleak they should be.”
That was in response to this reply to Richard Lindsay:
“Both sides of my family are from Central Europe, with a mixed ethnic background. Before, during and after WW2, they experienced racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing from both sides of the conflict.”
Even a blind man with cork eyes can see that, so why can’t you.
I noticed this little gem in your ridiculous post:
“If there are some American Jews going by that name only proves one thing: that one of their ancestors got married to a Jewess.”
I pissed myself laughing when I read that - So expect a laundry bill from me - if and when, I find out your location. In the meantime, I suggest you fuck off back to your ADL controller and await further instruction from Rabbi Abe Foxman.
7. henrikryan Says:
How ‘clever’ of you to hide behind your rhetorical I don’t know if … figure. How naive do you think people are not to see through your cheap attempts of spreading disunity within the ranks of the anti-Zionist movement. If anyone acts like an ADL agent then it is you.
8. steel68 Says:
Henrikan,what is the center around which the “unity” of the “anti-Zionist movement” revolves?Don’t confuse growing awareness with a movement.This is precisely what is lacking.Elements are in place though for an approaching conflagration.There is nothing clever about Jewishawareness’s points.It’s not the lions you can see,it’s the ones you can’t that you must be concerned with.The Master’s of the Lie have born many effluvial offspring.Exigesis is a rare art.Peeling the layers off of Ginsberg is child’s play to mining Strauss.Strauss must be confronted as a serious thinker-NOW!The first part of the 21st Century will be the “engagement with the problem of Strauss”.
As an oversimplification:Strauss is the Jewish equivalent of Nietzsche for all Indo-Europeans!He understood the necessity of “noble lies” concomitant with the fundamental recognition of evil in the functioning of the polis.Wolfowitz and Kristol were both students of his and many of the “little puppies”,as Strauss called his students,have students spread around in government and “think-tanks”.The Clairmont Review is a Strauss baby somewhat,with his students’ students dominating the payroll.No!There is no movement yet!What is lacking?See!On the horizon!’Tis the owl of Minerva!
“the obvious is going to kill us,
the obvious is killing us.
our luck is used up.
as always,we regroup
we haven’t forgotten how to
but the long battle has made us
the obvious is going to kill us,
we are engulfed by the
we allowed it.
we deserve it.
a hand moves in the
a freight train passes in the night.
the fences are broken.
the heart sits alone.
the obvious is going to kill us.
9. henrikryan Says:
Maybe you should have another look at ‘Jewishawareness’’s statement:
Now, I don’t know if Mr Winkler is Jewish, but I do know that prospects are bleak for Jews in an anti-Semitic movement – and bleak they should be.
Noticed anything? ‘Anti-Semitic Movement’ he says. I don’t know of anyone in the anti-Zionist movement who would call that movement ‘anti-Semitic’. That term is a politically motivated, libelous slur that is used by Jews to destroy their political opponents. By using that term for the anti-Zionist movement ‘Jewishawareness’ has unmasked himself as a Zionist mole.
10. jewishawareness Says:
Steady on old son, you might pull a muscle. That line originally said: “Semites in the anti-Semitic movement” but I changed it to ‘Jew’ in order to use an emphasis that does not exist in ‘jewphemisims’ like ‘Zionism’ or ‘Zionist’
You see, I’m not just anti-Zionist, I’m anti EVERYTHING that is Jewish, and that means EVERY Jew on this planet. And by common definition, that makes me anti-Semitic - and I am proud to be so!
I wear my anti-Semitism boldly, like a badge of honour. There is nothing rotten in the state of anti-Semitism, only goodness.
If you had a virulent cancer; then you would demand the most rigorous anti-cancer treatment available - wouldn’t you? Well, there is a cancer. A cancer that has been eating away at the body and soul of Mankind for millennia, and that cancer is known to us as the Jew - and the remedy for the Jew, is a massive dose of good old fashioned “ANTI-SEMITISM.”
I mentioned in an earlier post how this term, anti-Semitism has been used as a devastating weapon against us, and how we need to come up with a collective response. In reality, it is only a simple phrase, yet people flinch and cower when it is applied to them - but I say we, all of us, should stand up and take it on the chin. Don’t run for cover, don’t capitulate when it is laid at your door Instead, plant your feet firmly on the ground and tell the world, why, you are anti-Semitic, and tell the world, why being anti-Semitic is a GOOD thing - It is a good thing for you, and it is a good thing for the World
‘henrikryan’ - I can understand when someone has paid out hard earned money, that they like to feel they’ve made, not just an investment, but also a commitment, and they don’t like someone like me “pointing out the bleeding obvious” - That they, or even you, might have paid that money into the very thing that they, or even you, were hoping to bring down. Listen up - There is nothing on Ziopedia.org that cannot be had elsewhere - FREE OF CHARGE. You can begin here:
Steel68 Has mentioned Leon Strauss, and in the above 3 part documentary, you will find some interesting stuff about Strauss and his disciples. The Straussian problem is now, very deep rooted and complex, and so you should only use this documentary as a primer to excite further investigation - That’s if you are really interested in educating yourself. But I can’t be mother to you, so don’t expect me to wet nurse you through your “infancy” regarding the Jewish problem. The World is turning to shit my friend, and soon you’ll be up to your neck in it. Steel68 - You might be interested in another documentary that was broadcast last Saturday night as part of the BBC White Season it will be on line for 4 more days.
It’s about the fall out around a speech made by a British MP called Enoch Powell in 1968.
Enoch Powell was one of the leading classicists of his generation and was influenced greatly by Nietzsche. He became professor of Greek aged 25, the youngest professor in the British Empire, and then entered WW2 as a private, quickly rising through the ranks to become the youngest Brigadier in the British Army.
His “Rivers of Blood” speech was a warning about immigration and led to the ruin of Powell as a political force. A warning to anyone who might be naive to the ways of a Jewish run media: Both these documentaries are likely to have been “touched” by Jews. So use them as a “spring-board” for further investigation.
11. antipharisee Says:
Here is a message to the person who writes/publishes judicial-inc.biz I do not know his name, or how to contact him but it is a very good site. Did you know that the Zionist Jews also control and LIE about Cosmology/Space Exploration? It’s all based on Kabbala Phariseeism. And it is the Foundation of their World Conquest Agenda. Here: http://earthdeception.googlepages.com/ and Here: http://www.fixedearth.com/kabbala%20I.htm
12. steel68 Says:
The Power of Nightmares is an adequate starting point for “beginners” attempting to wrestle with Strauss.For those who look to peel the layers off which Strauss has stacked over his real intentions-Exigesis!In his intro to Maimaonides’ work ‘The Guide of the Perplexed’,Strauss states,”One begins to understand the ‘Guide’ once one sees that it is not a philosophic book-a book written by a philosopher for philosophers-but a Jewish book:a book written by a Jew for Jews.Its first premise is the old Jewish premise that being a Jew and being a philosopher are two incompatible things….the ‘Guide’ is then devoted to ‘the difficulties of the Law’ or to ‘the secrets of the Law’.”Elsewhere he states,”The Law whose secret Maimonides intends to explain forbids that they be explained in public,or to the public;they may only be explained in private and only to such individuals as possess both theoretical and political wisdom as well as the capacity of both understanding and using allusive speech;for only ‘the chapter headings’of the secret teaching may be transmitted even to those who belong to the natural elite.”Strauss can test a readers patience.This is by design.For he is writing to a certain few while remaining obscure to the rest.I am not familiar with “Rivers of Blood”,but will check it out.
“Strauss showed his loyalty to things Jewish in a way he was uniquely qualified to do,by showing generations of students how to treat Jewish texts with the utmost care and devotion.In this way he turned a number of his Jewish students in the direction of becoming better Jews”-Dannhauser
13. thomasvthereal Says:
Until this delicious debate has developed, I was planning to make a quick list of major points made in the article by Mr. Winkler, and how much I agree with him, and why.
This have to be changed now however.
I think there are two basic issues here: Mr. Winkler’s genuineness through his performance, and his origin.
To me Ziopedia is a good, useful educational tool, which should be used in combination with other sources, while the reader engages his critical faculties. Or as Dr. Hovind would say: ‘Consume the meat, but spit-out the bone.’ I personally find that I agree 95% of his statements in the interview, while disagree on a few minor points.
The second more serious issue, is the suspected origins of Mr. Winkler. Here I agree with the general concern of ‘Jewishawareness’, which incidentally is the same as Mr. Grimm’s earlier declaration: None of us would like to see crypto-or even declared Jews in any of the White movements, in any leadership position. This however, doesn’t mean we should exclude ex-Jews who are open about their heritage, but clearly broke away from the tribe’s tradition by great sacrifice and even danger to themselves.
Since we are still in the embryonic stage of organizing blogs which are basically voluntary workplaces for mutual intellectual effort, this leadership criteria remains a mute point.
Yet for credibility’s sake I agree with ‘Jewishawareness’, that Mr. Winkler should and must come clear of his origin, and declare it without any further ambiguity.
On the other hand, I think ‘Jewishawareness’ is in the danger to overdevelop his position to the point of genuine and unrestrained hatred against everyone who is a Jew, regardless even if he’d support us.
I’d like to believe, that we are capable to discern, that we fight an ideology, and those who carry those ideologies, but not the Human himself who otherwise no longer the carrier of those ideologies, but rather he proved by sacrifice that he is with us. And please do not forget the numerically much larger group of aiders and enablers who are identical to us, yet traitors to our cause!
To spice-up things just one degree more, I object ‘Jewishawarenes’s continuous intimidating, belittling and disparaging tone of voice toward those, who he disagrees with.
I realize and welcome his formidable intellectual faculties and his large and generally correct contribution to this blog, but his personal pride and immodesty habitually comes in the way for him, to be really effective.
I as his old friend, wish him to overcome those particular shortcomings of his. (Probably the same way, as he kindly wishes me to overcome my own shortcomings).
14. jewishawareness Says:
“It’s good to see for example ‘jewishawareness’s puissant reply’ to ‘impartialview’s feeble minded exclamation about the “holy and beautiful Talmud”. February 25, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Then this: “I object ‘Jewishawarenes’s continuous intimidating, belittling and disparaging tone of voice toward those, who he disagrees with…his personal pride and immodesty habitually comes in the way for him, to be really effective.” March 11, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Make your mind up Thomas - or is your indecision final?
I’ve noticed you’re using culinary metaphors tonight, so here’s one for you: Don’t try to teach your granny how to suck eggs and keep your own, offensive opinions, to yourself.
Thomas, as for your pretence of friendship - don’t bother. “With friends like you, who needs enemies?”
15. thomasvthereal Says:
I can assure you, I don’t need any enemies.
Maybe I should have used the less offending word ‘acquaintance’. Is it a deal ‘Jewishawareness’, or should I pretend from now on, that we’ve never been in any correspondence with each other? It won’t be easy, because you publicly and in length reminded me for that recently, but still possible, if you too make up your mind and declare it unequivocally.
In addition, such declaration is immaterial for me to speak-out, every time I feel the need for it, but I promise I’ll be civil with you at all time.
Furthermore, I wish to remind you, to limit our semi-private correspondence, and the excessive display of bruised egos (if any) since it most likely bore the rest of the readers on this blog.
16. henrikryan Says:
Yet for credibility’s sake I agree with ‘Jewishawareness’, that Mr. Winkler should and must come clear of his origin, and declare it without any further ambiguity.
I have been a reader of ZioPedia.org and its ‘Newsflashes’ from the day the site started and I haven’t seen anything where Winkler says he was Jewish. All he did is avoid answering that question with a straight yes or no. I suspect that he did that for a number of reasons:
a) as way of saying that he doesn’t hate Jews as such, only their evil actions, and b) in the hope that it will prevent his Jewish enemies to harm him or his family.
17. henrikryan Says:
c) he’s simply trying to confuse his enemies
18. jewishawareness Says:
Me thinks you doth protest too much. You’re painting yourself into a corner, but don’t fret, because It’s a good thing, and the truth will soon reveal itself. To your expanding list of reasons you have added this codicil: c) “he’s simply trying to confuse his enemies”
Very good, you’re almost there. Now develop that thought, and logic, will eventually lead you to the only possible conclusion, about Mr Winkler. And that is…..
19. thomasvthereal Says:
There is certain keen logic working in Jewishawarenes’s favour, which is quite convincing. There is no other logical reason for Mr. Winkler to be so ambiguous, except one; if he has something to hide.
Earlier quote:““Both sides of my family are from Central Europe, with a mixed ethnic background. Before, during and after WW2, they experienced racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing from both sides of the conflict…”
The strange mixture of once precise, once opaque qualities, how he describe himself, give me a suspicious hunch. It’s highly unusual for somebody, who is native to Central Europe to describe himself to be of ‘mixed ethnic background’, if they are native to the land. If they are children of a multinational couple for example Polish-Hungarian, the custom is to openly declare the two nations if it comes to it, and carry the family name of the father of course, yet identify with the nation fully where the person lives. I recall among my old classmates, there were immediately recognizable non-typical names like Engelhardt, Hajtman (Germanic) or Kasztanovics (Serb-Croatian origin). I even have a 2nd generation Greek boy in my class. None of them would describe themselves as ‘mixed ethnic’. I’m only aware in my experience of two type of people who would try to hide their origin or complain about historical racial discrimination: The Jews and the Gypsys.
In any case, some people who are more expert in textual analysis, with some psychological background, could talk more about these things.
20. jewishawareness Says:
“I’m only aware in my experience of two type of people who would try to hide their origin or complain about historical racial discrimination: The Jews and the Gypsys.”
I think Sir Arthur Conan Doyle summed it up best when he said
“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”
let us examine further what is probable. Thomas, I’d like you to search this site:
Here you will gain access to the “Consolidated Jewish Surname Index” (CJSI) and after discovering the high incidence of Winklers in the European Jewish community, will take this knowledge and add it to Mr. Winkler’s own submission regarding his family history then marry it all up with your own empirical experience, and finally answer me this:
On the balance of probability, do you think Mr. Winkler is a Gypsy?
22. thomasvthereal Says:
Oh no ‘Jewisawareness’ I’m hugely disinclined to go through large databases like that, lacking the meticulousness and interest to conduct anything that boring.
Beside names are one of the most tiresome method to identify Jews, because they are changed by the drop of their hats. As a general rule Gypsies don’t take on Germanic sounding names, Jews did with a gusto, specially when the Austro-Hungarian Empire existed, so they could blended in pretending to belong to the politically most influential ethnicity, which was Germanic-Austrian at the time.
Thus you may find among the Jewish emigrants either coming from internally like from Galicia, (a province the Hapsburgs gained from Russia after 1775) or coming from abroad such as directly from the Pale of Settlements under Czarist rule, taking up names some of them quite familiar ‘Jewish sounding’ ones: Gold-, Silver-, Rubin-, Bern-stein but many others.
Many of these name-holders reverted to Hungarian sounding names when the Empire disintegrated, if they ended-up living in Hungary. Historical examples: Jewish leader of the ‘Hungarian Soviet Republic’ (one of the Soviet Republics which was established right after the First WW due to Bolshevik rebellions spreading continent-wide) is Béla Kún originally Kohn) or one of his most bloodthirsty henchman who ‘distinguished’ himself by conducting mass-executions and outright massacres, named Tibor Szamuely orgn. Samuel
The leading communist personalities in Hungary after WW 2 M.Rákosi (Rosenfeld) E. Gerö(Singer)J. Révai(Lederer) M. Farkas(Wolf?) were all Jews, with hastily magyarized names.
The problem is that most of these people, had further changed their names as soon as they continued their ‘wandering’.
There is the colourful figure for example of a communist agitator of the same era, born Schwartz, ‘magyarized’ József Pogány (means Pagan) and then again changed after his arrival in the US to ‘John Pepper’. And the examples are literally endless, and they don’t have to be Communists either. Co-founder of Intel Corp. born András Gróf (already a magyarized name), becomes ‘Andrew Grove’ upon his landing on US soil. I hope I could somehow indicate that these are only samples of a much larger phenomenon. The namechanges just during one century from just one geographical location could fill-up books, the size of the Talmud, which would take a literary coolie, with dogged determination to search through.
After such lengthy detour, my answer is, that by his name alone I wouldn’t necessarily suspect Mr. Winkler to be Jew, -but then again it’s a very unreliable indicator, mainly because it turns-out too many false negatives (yes you heard it right) beside confusingly (if it’s a common name), many false positives too- still the probability that he would be a Gypsy with that name, is negligibly minuscule.
23. steel68 Says:
Commenting on Zionist Watch,though far from being amorphous,is for the most part a marginal arena to go fishing and an excellent place to “hide”.There are those who read PG’s stuff who never or almost never post or read posted comments for their various reasons.Then there are those who diligently comb ZW hoping in their own way to add his/her angle or to feel in company with comrades.There are maybe even some who feel ZW has yet to some into its own.It’s just a blog-RIGHT!Something the talented Patrick does on the side.I mean,there’s the kids and wife,the bills,the deadlines,etc.Studying the “Jewish problem” is only suppose to be something we do when we have some spare time.Hand an article here or have a little discussion there.It’s not an issue of life or death is it?That’s just what it is my friends in blood.We must become berserker rage incarnate.Also,I have asked AW to address the issues above.
24. henrikryan Says:
Winkler’s description would also fit someone with mixed Czech and Sudetendeutschen background. It would explain his claim of discrimination before and after the war. Before the war, when Nazi Germany annexed Czechoslovakia because his family wasn’t of pure Arian race, and after because they weren’t pure Czech.
25. thomasvthereal Says:
Henriknyan, it wouldn’t fit to such degree, that it would warrant such an obscure, opaque and awkward explanation. German nation vociferously fought for its various volksdeutch brothers who found themselves beyond the border of post WW Germany in hostile political environment. Certain degree of mixing was known and acceptable in the Hapbsburg Empire, (a direct ancestors of these new entities who ‘popped-up’ after the 1st WW), because it was a veritable melting pot of nations and secondly because it carried no stigma to it. They were generally welcomed in the nations’ body everywhere in the Hapsburg Empire. (Although not so later in these small miserable nationalistic statelets, but that’s mainly beside the point). I know of no example, that a Sudetendeutschen was less than forthcoming about his heritage, even if he would have some Czech blood in his vein. It’s simply a none-issue.
I need to repeat it once more, that there are two type of people who have region-wide and enduring stigma attached, they were and are the Jews and the Gypsies. (I save the lengthy explanation of why these two are, in order to shorten the length of my comment). Now theoretically possible that Mr. Winkler is uncharacteristically shy and awkward about his personal heritage, but how so and why if he is otherwise so intelligent and wordy?
In the final analysis, and in my personal opinion, it would be much better, if he would come ‘clean’ so to speak, because his work is otherwise quite worthy and sought-out and most of us would welcome an author of his caliber, even if he is Jewish origin. A person who tries to hide that racial heritage however, and continue the timeless tribal tradition to just ‘blend-in’ is an entirely different issue altogether.
26. zionistwatch Says:
To all concerned,
Yeah, I think it’s been repeated and debated and repeated and debated ad nauseam until it now serves no purpose at all. This is precisely why this “movement”, if one would generously label it such, goes nowhere. With all the back-and-forth self-congratulatory so-called intellectual muscle-flexing and snide remarks and attacks, what has been achieved in the end? I suppose if those involved are more concerned about being right or moralistic or the cock-of-the-walk know-it-all in the room, rather than spreading the truth about Zionism and Jewish supremacism across the web, then THAT lowly objective has been met in full.
We will never win against the Jewish supremacists until we are more content with DOING RIGHT (spreading the word) than always having to angle for a way to PROVE OURSELVES RIGHT (self-congratulation exercises) in petty squabbles with people we already agree with on 99.9% of the basic issues anyway. That is what I see going on here.
27. thomasvthereal Says:
Patrick you are right and you have a few good points of course, specially the meaningless clash of personalities in which I’m just as in fault as my counterpart. Still I must insist, that the statement in my last paragraph is important, I stand by it and on that point, I agree with ‘Jewishawarenes’s concern.
As to the rest of the criticism, I don’t quite see your point. What else you wish in your comment-section that intelligent comments and occasional lively debates? We cannot dig a trench or fix-up a rifle on this blog to please you. To me this blog will most likely filter out intellectuals or intellectually inclined people.
They aren’t exactly famous for practicality.
Sometimes I jokingly recall our Jewish revolutionary intellectual counterpart, who filled coffeehouses all around in Europe from Paris to Vienna and St. Petersburg, and later clandestine meeting places early in the last century while they endlessly debated about the fervently yearned but wickedly elusive ‘revolutionary conditions’ which would only need a spark to initiate the Messianic revolution itself. The masses which were supposed to fight the various proletarian revolutions and carry the revolutionary vanguard to power on its back, were wretchedly passive, docile, conformist and generally too much under the influence of the monarchist and clerical forces and so on and so forth. Do you see the parallel ‘junior comrade’ Grimm, or I need to spell it out? Have patience Professor, have patience.
28. zionistwatch Says:
You have carved something complicated and convoluted out of what was a very elementary point I was attempting to make. I am simply calling for less in-fighting and insults against those already on YOUR SIDE and more discussion of intellectual points, ideas, strategies and whatnot. I desire “intelligent comments and occasional lively debates”. Yet why must they be couched in insults and a tone of “talking down” to those who might not agree entirely? The answer is that they need not be, unless of course ego is more important than saving our race, culture and heritage. Keep up the liveliness and leave out the childish insults and harangues. That was the whole point.
Also, the paranoia of constantly questioning whether he/she/they is/are an agent/s/, a crypto, a Jew infiltrator etc. has grown tiresome. I am not saying that there is never a place for this concern or question, but tossing those sorts of accusations back and forth on the board does seem childish and counterproductive in most instances.
29. jewishawareness Says:
Patrick, as there are only 4 posters involved in this so called “debate” and given that it was me who unfortunately raised this issue (Though, I believe you have done so yourself in the past) I think it’s a fair assumption that the proportion of your anger being sent in my direction is greater than the 25% that statistics alone would deem to be fair.
Yes, It is being laboured “ad nauseam.”
But there is someonesome who might draw benefit from it.
For instance - Winkler’s friend “henrikryan” who actually started this so called debate by attacking my original comment and who accused me here of..
“Noticed anything? ‘Anti-Semitic Movement’ he says. I don’t know of anyone in the anti-Zionist movement who would call that movement ‘anti-Semitic’. That term is a politically motivated, libelous slur that is used by Jews to destroy their political opponents. By using that term for the anti-Zionist movement ‘Jewishawareness’ has unmasked himself as a Zionist mole.”
“henrikryan” will draw benefit if he goes back to Winkler’s site and clicks on the tab marked “Goyim Certified”
There he’ll find the object of his affection (Winkler) entirely in accord with my own views on anti-Semitism.
“Questioned whether he wasn’t afraid of being accused of anti-Semitism, he (Winkler) replied, “Not really. In today’s use of the term, all it means is being critical of Israel and her lobby, so it’s a good thing.”
This is what I have said.
Patrick, as you’re obviously in the mood for telling people off, perhaps the next time you chat to Adrian Winkler you’ll tell him to stop using the term “Goyum”
His own site says:
“The Hebrew word ‘Goyim’ is a derogative term used by Talmudic Jews to describe non-Jews. Talmud, the holiest book of Judaism, only considers Jews to be human, while non-Jews are regarded as the equivalent of cattle that can be killed and abused unpunished.”
I think his “Goyim Certification” is an offensive stunt and I reject it.
If you will allow me, I’d like to paraphrase “henrikryan”
“…I don’t know of anyone in the anti-Zionist movement who would call a non-Jew, ‘Goyim’. That term is a religiously motivated, libelous slur that is used by Jews to demean their Gentile opponents. By using that term for the non-Jew ‘Adrian Winkler’ has unmasked himself as a Zionist mole.”
Patrick, I do admire you and I’m sorry for your upset.
But what did you really expect? When you took the decision to give Adrian Winkler a platform to share his financial problems with all those he calls “Goyim”
Would you like to hear mine?
I don’t think Jews should be leading the fight against Jews.
30. thomasvthereal Says:
Patrick, me too is respectfully disagree with certain points you make: For example, you complain about paranoia. That is an interesting word, colourised already with pejorative meaning.
Although paralyzingly excessive awareness and suspicion should be avoided, where do you propose to draw the line?
We have a situation in Western societies where less than 3% of the population is exploiting, manipulating the majority. They’ve basically taken over and ruling over the rest of the 97%. How did we got here Mr. Grimm? We talking about a tribe which is the carrier of eminently hostile ideology, which it carries by awesomely deceptive, and cunning way. It is a tribe which in its Holy Books lionize infiltration, spying, deception as a necessary preliminary stage for the eradication of their enemies, (or rather anyone who they consider as their enemies).
I argue, that some measure of alertness is useful and meritorious to us. In other word, dismissing attempts to scrutinize suspicious behavior, which are already riddled with telltale signs, as paranoia, and characterize it something of an ‘endless childish exercise’ itself sound childishly naive to me.
31. steel68 Says:
Your all a bunch of dumbies and my dad can beat your dad up and I bet I can run faster than you guys!And for those interested,here is Andrew’s reply to some of the above:
“I’ve been deliberately vague in response to inquiries from people whom I do not know personally whether I was Jewish,the reason being that I wanted to keep my Jewish enemies and their goyim shills guessing about my identity and background.It’s a smokescreen created to protect my family.I would have thought that my two sites-Ziopedia and Jews Anonymous-speak for themselves.I don’t just fight against Jewish supremicism and Zionist crimes,but against Judaism and Jewishness.I suggest you read my essay,’The Jewish Problem’,or any of my other articles in the most popular section of Ziopedia.They make it abundantly clear that even if I had a Jewish heritage,that I would completely reject it.Anyhow,if my readers want to judge me on my suspected ethnic background,so be it.Personally,I don’t think much of judging others by their race rather than their actions”-Andrew Winkler Editor/Publisher
“Just because your paranoid doesn’t mean your not being followed”-Unknown
32. henrikryan Says:
And what do you make that mean, Steel68?
33. jewishawareness Says:
henrikryan: Try this:
Andrew Winkler:- “Jews have argued for centuries what actually makes a Jew a Jew. Some say it’s race.
Others say it’s religion. My point is that it can’t be neither.”
I can’t be neither!
“…To twist a phrase out of its meaning, to use all the tricks of the clever advocate, to play upon words, and to condemn what they did not know … such were the characteristics of the Polish Jew… Honesty and right-thinking he lost as completely as simplicity and truthfulness. He made himself master of all the gymnastics of the Schools and applied them to obtain advantage over any one less cunning than himself. He took a delight in cheating and overreaching, which gave him a sort of joy of victory. But his own people he could not treat in this way: they were as knowing as he. It was the non-Jew, who, to his loss, felt the consequences of the Talmudically trained mind of the Polish Jew.”
Heinrich Graetz (Jewish) - The History of The Jews.
Patrick Grimm:- “In several of your articles you have asserted that “Jewishness is in fact a state of mind.” For those just discovering your website and work, would you mind fleshing out the idea of “Jewishness” as a mental state, rather than a religion, “race” or nationality?”
Andrew Winkler:- “Jews have argued for centuries what actually makes a Jew a Jew. Some say it’s race.
Others say it’s religion. My point is that it can’t be neither.”
“It can’t be race because modern Jewry is made up of 3 ethnically distinct groups: Ashkenazis, Sephardi and Oriental Jews. The biggest group, the European Jews or Ashkenazis, are the descendants of ethnic Turk Khazars from Mongolia, who came to Europe as part of Attila’s hordes, and their Germanic rape victims. Their only genetic link to Palestine is a few thousand rabbis the Khazars imported from Byzanth when they replaced their traditional phallus cult with Judaism. There were also some Jewish refugees who got kicked out of Byzanth for collaborating with the Arab enemy. Anyhow, modern days Jews are genetically too different from each other for race to be the determining factor for Jewishness.”
“It can’t be religion either because there are too many so-called ‘secular Jews’. It makes no sense to claim that Jewishness was determined by religion when more than half of Jews are not religious at all.”
“My answer to the question what it is that makes a Jew a Jew is that it is a state of mind. You become a Jew by embracing Jewishness and all the baggage that comes with it.”
henrikryan: - There is the answer you seek. It seems Andrew Winkler isn’t, Jewish, only because, in his current “state of mind” - he doesn’t think he is Jewish!
I hope for those real, non-Jews, who are pumping money into him, that he doesn’t have a change of mind.
Because, the phrase: “Cogito ergo sum” could have some terrible consequences.
Jews should not be leading the fight against Jews.
34. henrikryan Says:
Jewishawareness, you are wrong:
1. Winkler isn’t Jewish and never was. All your verbal diarrhea is not going to change that.
2. All you are doing is weakening the anti-Zionist movement by seeding mistrust within its ranks.
3. The way you are acting, the only rat in the room is you.
35. jewishawareness Says:
Henrikryan - You’re having a laugh aren’t you?
What’s your membership Number?
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Holocaust denier accuses judges 03/03/2008
A Holocaust denier accused two Jewish federal justices in Australia of “propagating the Jewish Holocaust” to “protect an historical lie.”
Dr. Fredrick Töben, 63, the founder of the notorious Adelaide Institute, made his accusations against Justices Alan Goldberg and Stephen Rothman in a submission to the Federal Court last week. The Sydney court is hearing a long-running case over Holocaust denial material Töben appears to continue to publish on the institute's Web site. Töben was ordered by the Federal Court in 2002 to purge the material from the site of his institute, which is widely considered to be anti-Semitic.
He is facing possible contempt charges for suggesting that Goldberg and Rothman's participation in his case “gives rise for concern that any kind of justice can emerge from proceedings that directly impact on a contentious interpretation of an historical event.”
Jeremy Jones, a past president of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry, has continued to pursue Töben through the courts. The case was adjourned until April.
Töben, a native of Germany, was imprisoned in his homeland for seven months in 1999 for publishing revisionist material on his Web site.
Israeli lawyer who stole from Holocaust survivors is jailed
Vered Luvitch, 20 February 2008
TEL AVIV – Israeli lawyer Yisrael Perry has been convicted of stealing hundreds of millions of Deutsche Marks from Israeli Holocaust survivors was this week sentenced to 12 years in jail.
Perry was also fined NIS 22 million ($A6.6 million).
Most of Perry’s clients were Holocaust survivors, who Perry supposedly represented in reparation negotiations with the German government.
In the Tel Aviv District Court on Tuesday, Judge Zecharia Caspi noted the severity of Perry’s crimes, and defined his actions as "wide-scale theft and fraud".
Perry was convicted by of aggravated fraud, embezzlement, obstruction of justice and violation of insurance laws four months ago after a lengthy six-year trail.
In 1973, Israel and West Germany signed a compensation agreement under which eligible Israel citizens would be permitted to join the West Germany's Social Security Authority's pension plan. To sign up a one-time payment was required to cover monthly premiums.
In 1983, three years after the agreement went into effect, Perry established the Association for Implementing the Social Security Covenant (AISSC) and presented himself as the survivors' representative in the reparation negotiations with the West German government.
Some 30,000 Israelis registered in Perry’s organization. Perry did not inform his clients that he was the actual owner and founder of the AISSC, and made them believe that this was a legitimate, state-run origination.
“The client kept his ownership of the AISSC concealed not only from his clients, but also from local authorities and various courts to which he blatantly lied … this was systematic, elaborate, well- planned fraud,” noted the court.
According to the court's ruling, Perry did not inform his clients that the terms of the loans he had arranged for them, through companies under his control, led to excessive repayments, part of which he pocketed.
In doing so, noted the court, he concealed vital information from his potential clients, defrauding them of exorbitant sums of money.
Judge Caspi harshly criticised Perry’s actions, noting that “Attorney Perry acted in a slick, dishonest, despicable manner. He defrauded his clients, caused them great harm, and committed severe offenses
for a prolonged period of time.”
The judge further noted that time does not mitigate Perry’s crimes, or the punishment that he ought to receive, and that Perry’s attempts to establish a compensation fund for his wronged clients are nothing but a “theatrical show that amounts to very little”. He also hoped that such a fund would actually be established.
The Centre of Organizations of Holocaust Survivors in Israel (COHSI) said on Tuesday that "the court has done justice with a person who systematically deceived the Holocaust survivors. The verdict and sentence speak for themselves."
Israeli minister vows Palestinian 'holocaust'
By Tim Butcher in Jerusalem
Last Updated: 2:18am GMT 01/03/2008, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/29/wholo129.xml
A senior Israeli politician provoked controversy today when he warned that Palestinians firing rockets from Gaza would be punished with a "bigger holocaust" from Israeli armed forces.
The use of the Hebrew word for holocaust, "shoah", tends to be used exclusively in Israel to describe the Nazi persecution of Jews.
Palestinian activists routinely claim to be suffering a "shoah" at the hands of Israel, but the Jewish state normally denies any moral equivalence between the suffering of Palestinians today and European jewry under the Nazis.
Matan Vilnai, deputy defence minister, broke that taboo when he used the term "shoah" during interview on Army Radio.
"The more qassam fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they (the Palestinians) will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," he said.
His use of the term reflects the febrile atmosphere in Israel where public opinion demands the government does something decisive to stop the daily barrage of rockets fired from Gaza over the border into Israel.
The issue dominates the media, sparking angry protests from Israelis who live within rocket range of Gaza and prompting an intense national debate about whether to negotiate with the Hamas authorities in Gaza.
Israel has lost eleven of its citizens to qassam strikes since the first one was launched in 2003. Many hundreds of Palestinians, mostly militants but civilians as well, have been killed in retaliatory Israeli attacks. The Israeli government moved quickly to try to defuse the impact of Mr Vilnai's use of the sensitive term. His office put out a statement later trying to water down the meaning of the word. "Mr. Vilnai was meaning 'disaster'," the statement said. "He did not mean to make any allusion to the genocide."
The foreign ministry also got involved seeking to downplay the linguistic faux pas. "Deputy Defence Minister Matan Vilnai used the Hebrew phrase that included the term 'shoah' in the sense of a disaster or a catastrophe, and not in the sense of a holocaust," Arye Mekel, Israel's foreign ministry spokesman, said. This was not enough to placate Palestinians who sought to exploit the use of the word.
"We are facing new Nazis who want to kill and burn the Palestinian people," Sami Abu Zuhri, Hamas spokesman, said.
The tit-for-tat exchanges between militants firing rockets from Gaza and the Israeli armed forces trying to hit them and their commanders continued, with the Palestinian death toll reaching 31 since Wednesday. One Israeli has been killed in that period. Tens of thousands of Gazans took to the streets to protest the worsening violence on Friday. "Gaza today faces a real war, a crazy war led by the enemy against our people," Ismail Haniyeh, one of the most senior Hamas leaders, told a crowd gathered outside the mosque where he attended weekly prayers.
Israel has tried ground offensives into Gaza before to silence the rocket threat but they have failed to deal with the problem once and for all. Ehud Olmert, Israel's prime minister, has so far been wary of launching a ground offensive, which could incur heavy casualties and derail US-backed peace talks with Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian national authority.
Relatives of a Palestinian boy killed in an Israeli rocket attack
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The Palestinian American Federation condemns comments by Israeli Minister
"Never again" is not exclusive to the Jewish People. The Palestinian American Federation strongly condemns the comments made by Matan Vilnai, Israeli Deputy Defense. Speaking to the Israeli Army radio Matan said " (the Palestinians) will bring upon themselves a bigger holocaust because we will use all our might..." We remind Jews around the World that their favorite slogan, "Never Again" is not exclusive to one people.
We call on the US Government, represented by president George Bush, the State Department, and our representatives in Congress to condemn the holocaust that is already taken place in Palestine against the unarmed Palestinian population. We call on the United Nations to insure the safety of the Palestinian People and the safety of their homes and property according to International Laws and resolutions. We do not believe the Jewish "holocaust" during WWII is a fair reference to what is taking place in Palestine where the Israeli military is deliberately bombing civilian targets killing toddlers and infants has any parable in history. History had not told us of any Jewish homes being deliberately bombed for being Jewish homes, or Jewish children murdered while sleeping in their homes.
The Palestinian American Federation was created to build, sustain and advance Palestinian activism in the United States in the areas of Political Action and Media Relations in all localities where Palestinians and their supporters reside throughout the country regardless of their numbers. Our Purpose: To allow Palestinian activists and organizations to share ideas and successes with other communities in the fields of local lobbying and media relations.
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